by JEFFRO » Mon Jan 09, 2023 8:05 am
Working with a stripped Glock frame that I was told is a gen3 G19 frame. However, when I go to install the locking block, there are "tabs" like you would see on an unfinished P80 preventing the locking block from seating. Circled in photos below. I have a couple other gen 3 G19 OEM frames (one of them included in photos for reference) and do not see them present, so kinda stumped. It looks like I could remove these like you would on a P80 and install the locking block just fine, but that doesn't seem right at all. Got any advice for me?
by JEFFRO » Tue Jan 17, 2023 10:35 am As an update for anyone looking at this thread in the future, I can confirm the Lone Wolf locking block works in the frame...ordered one from NDZ. Thanks all for the help.
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by RAMjetta » Wed Jan 11, 2023 12:04 am
Hawkeye wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 4:52 pm[image]IMG_2717.JPG[/image] These are LW locking blocks, they are supposed to be the same as early model Glock that are not made anymore. I believe these are what you need to use but there are two more fixes that don't coast you money just time. [image]IMG_2719.JPG[/image] This is a gen 2 Glock 2 pin. I think it is really an updated gen 1 but that's another talk. It is not like your Glock but has the plastic tabs. [image]IMG_2720.JPG[/image] Here you can see the difference between the gen2 and the LW which is supposed to be the old Glock locking blocks. So, these gen 2 is not what you need. I read somewhere that you can cut the tabs off the frame to get your locking block to work or you can grind off the tab on the locking block, both will work for you. This came up when Freedom Wolfs came out, they used and old Glock locking block, and no one had them for replacement. Then LW came out with them. I don't have any more Glocks, just a bunch of P80s and LW to check dimensions for you but if you can take some measurements, I can check them against my LW locking blocks to see if they will work before you buy any. Good lookin out Hawkeye.
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by JEFFRO » Tue Jan 10, 2023 3:00 pm
Thanks Hawkeye - I have since found a thread on glock talk about someone doing it successfully too.
by Hawkeye » Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:15 am
JEFFRO wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 5:07 pmThanks Hawkeye. I was considering taking the tabs off too, just looking for opinions on whether or not that's a good idea. Polymer is much easier to take off, and it doesn't look much harder than finishing a P80. I feel better about that if people have done that on their Lone Wolf's with no issue. I think I watched a video by P80 Ralph, he took those tabs off to see if he could use that style locking blocks you have without any problems. I work for him with a lone wolf. I think those tabs are more of a dirt protection then a function part of the frame.
by JEFFRO » Mon Jan 09, 2023 5:07 pm
Thanks Hawkeye. I was considering taking the tabs off too, just looking for opinions on whether or not that's a good idea. Polymer is much easier to take off, and it doesn't look much harder than finishing a P80. I feel better about that if people have done that on their Lone Wolf's with no issue.
by Hawkeye » Mon Jan 09, 2023 4:52 pm
These are LW locking blocks, they are supposed to be the same as early model Glock that are not made anymore.
I believe these are what you need to use but there are two more fixes that don't coast you money just time.
This is a gen 2 Glock 2 pin. I think it is really an updated gen 1 but that's another talk.
It is not like your Glock but has the plastic tabs.
Here you can see the difference between the gen2 and the LW which is supposed to be the old Glock locking blocks.
So, these gen 2 is not what you need.
I read somewhere that you can cut the tabs off the frame to get your locking block to work or you can grind off the tab on the locking block, both will work for you. This came up when Freedom Wolfs came out, they used and old Glock locking block, and no one had them for replacement. Then LW came out with them. I don't have any more Glocks, just a bunch of P80s and LW to check dimensions for you but if you can take some measurements, I can check them against my LW locking blocks to see if they will work before you buy any.
by JEFFRO » Mon Jan 09, 2023 1:50 pm
I'll see if I can still order one directly from Glock. My understanding from the frame seller through his Glock rep is Glock does not have them anymore. So unfortunately I'm playing "locking block roulette" in the aftermarket unless I attempt to modify the frame, which would be an absolute last resort...if at all.
by RAMjetta » Mon Jan 09, 2023 1:42 pm
JEFFRO wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 11:59 amContacted the frame seller who contacted Glock. Apparently the frame is a PRE-2013 Gen 3 that had a different locking block than the standard/current (post 2013 Gen 3) part#7894 locking block. It needs to be a PRE-2013 locking block, (Glock part#SP04361). Ram, would be curious if your instructor (or anyone here) thinks it would be acceptable to FTQ remove those tabs if I can't find what I suspect will be a unicorn FLB? I know it's not ideal, but may be OK if I can pass all the safety checks? Planning on this being a range toy anyway. I did find this https://www.ebay.com/itm/144567889149 @Hawkeye, happy to buy a spare off you if you have one. Interesting. If Hawkeye has one then cool. If not, once I hear back from my instructor I'll see if I can still order one directly from Glock.
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by JEFFRO » Mon Jan 09, 2023 11:59 am
Contacted the frame seller who contacted Glock. Apparently the frame is a PRE-2013 Gen 3 that had a different locking block than the standard/current (post 2013 Gen 3) part#7894 locking block. It needs to be a PRE-2013 locking block, (Glock part#SP04361). Ram, would be curious if your instructor (or anyone here) thinks it would be acceptable to FTQ remove those tabs if I can't find what I suspect will be a unicorn FLB? I know it's not ideal, but may be OK if I can pass all the safety checks? Planning on this being a range toy anyway. I did find this https://www.ebay.com/itm/144567889149 @Hawkeye, happy to buy a spare off you if you have one.
by RAMjetta » Mon Jan 09, 2023 11:33 am
Hawkeye wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 11:28 amFrom doing research on building my Freedom Wolf builds I read about different locking blocks. One has side-step like the one you have and the old style without the step on the side. You have the wrong Locking block for that model. Lone wolf has a locking block without the steps, I think. I did see where the frame was cut like you mentioned to get the newer style locking block to fit without any problems. If you can't find one let me know, I might have one in my box of parts. That shouldn't apply to an OEM frame of the same model and Generation though. Lone wolf's tab situation was a difference between flb generations. I have a listing of the locking blocks. He has the one listed for the Gen 3 G19. That construction on those 2 frames are completely different. Thanks for the greats pics by the way Jeffro.
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by Hawkeye » Mon Jan 09, 2023 11:28 am
From doing research on building my Freedom Wolf builds I read about different locking blocks. One has side-step like the one you have and the old style without the step on the side. You have the wrong Locking block for that model. Lone wolf has a locking block without the steps, I think. I did see where the frame was cut like you mentioned to get the newer style locking block to fit without any problems. If you can't find one let me know, I might have one in my box of parts.
by RAMjetta » Mon Jan 09, 2023 10:57 am
Even the thickness of the pylomer here is totally different.
by JEFFRO » Mon Jan 09, 2023 10:56 am
You sir are a gentleman, scholar and enabler. In that order lol.
by RAMjetta » Mon Jan 09, 2023 10:54 am
JEFFRO wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 10:48 amThese look like cut marks. Like someone already did what you're suggesting. Of course I could be wrong. Yeah I was thinking same actually. Ok I sent an email to my instructor. Don't do anything yet. We'll figure this out.
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by JEFFRO » Mon Jan 09, 2023 10:48 am
These look like cut marks. Like someone already did what you're suggesting. Of course I could be wrong. Yeah I was thinking same actually.
by JEFFRO » Mon Jan 09, 2023 10:47 am
Yeah IIRC that was a new complete frame.
by RAMjetta » Mon Jan 09, 2023 10:44 am
These look like cut marks. Like someone already did what you're suggesting. Of course I could be wrong.
by RAMjetta » Mon Jan 09, 2023 10:38 am
The G19 you have as an example, did you buy that new? I can't tell from the pics but it looks like its been modified in the locking block area. can you give me a good pic of that one?
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by JEFFRO » Mon Jan 09, 2023 10:30 am
The gen3 FLB doesn’t slide in, which is the problem. Here’s a pic of the frame in question next to a “good” gen3. I could bust out my dremel and ftq out that polymer and I think that would solve the problem but that seems wrong on an OEM frame. Would appreciate your instructor’s (or anyones) advice
by RAMjetta » Mon Jan 09, 2023 10:14 am
Interesting. That's for sure a Gen 3 frame other than that. Does the Gen 3 FLB slide down in there? I'm gonna sent an email to my instructor and see what he says?
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by JEFFRO » Mon Jan 09, 2023 10:08 am
Yeah they are polymer. Almost like the tabs you would see on an unfinished p80. Here’s a whole bunch of pics.
by RAMjetta » Mon Jan 09, 2023 9:22 am
That's definitely not an OEM Gen 3 G19. The Gen 4 has tabs but they don't go that far back in the frame (see
I would say maybe a Gen 2 but Gen 1 & 2 were a 2 pin configuration. I don't have any exploded pics of a Gen 2 but if you post a pic of the full frame that might help me get an answer for you. It's almost like someone put a polymer FLB in there and glued it in. That is polymer right?
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