by sailman » Wed May 11, 2022 11:49 am
My son has a G17 that he recently built and it was running pretty good with with aftermarket trigger parts. We went to the gun show a couple weeks ago and he a Apex tactical trigger group and installed it in the gun. The gun was running and operating fine before he changed out some parts. Here's a list of what he changed, Rook rear rails, Apex tactical trigger, Apex trigger bar, Apex tactical connector. And these are his words not mine I think you will find it funny, And that thing in the bottom of the slide that has the tiny Spring in it by Apex tactical. I think hes talking about the Firing pin safety plunger Spring. So now when you cycle the slide and pull the trigger the firing pin falls, when you cycle the slide again without your finger on the trigger it will reset reset but if you do not take your finger off of the trigger it will not reset when you do you do if that makes sense. I took the gun apart last night and pulled the trigger assembly out and and adjusted the connector but but when I did this I noticed that the connector was loose in the slot that it goes in could this be causing the issue? I don't believe the trigger housing is a stock glock part. I don't have any pictures at the moment but I can get some up later tonight.
by sailman » Sat May 14, 2022 5:37 pm
I've already got on him about this. You can believe that I did the safety check before he got it back.
by RAMjetta » Sat May 14, 2022 5:32 pm
Ancient Order wrote: ↑Sat May 14, 2022 5:31 pmHope he didn't blow off the safety check video. Oof!
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by Ancient Order » Sat May 14, 2022 5:31 pm
Hope he didn't blow off the safety check video.
by Ancient Order » Sat May 14, 2022 5:31 pm
Hope he didn't blow off the safety check video.
by RAMjetta » Sat May 14, 2022 5:28 pm
sailman wrote: ↑Sat May 14, 2022 5:05 pmHe said it worked before he did the trigger job. I think we have figured it out. I don't think my son likes watching very long videos that M GB has out there so he neglected to put in the channel liner. He asked me what's the little white straw in the Box was and I told him that that might be what we need. Well it operates great when you install a channel liner. LOL hahaha ha Lmao ok well glad it's working now.
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by Hawkeye » Sat May 14, 2022 5:24 pm
LOL yep that can cause all kinds of stuff not to work. The only build you don't have to worry about a liner in a PF9ss and a ss80. Here is a little info I found out about liners, When I paint, I leave the liner in during bake time. I cure paint ay 200-225 degrees and have not had a plastic liner warp. This is good because if you ever remove a liner, you shouldn't reuse it because it gets buggered up when you use the removal tool for liners.
by sailman » Sat May 14, 2022 5:05 pm
He said it worked before he did the trigger job. I think we have figured it out. I don't think my son likes watching very long videos that M GB has out there so he neglected to put in the channel liner. He asked me what's the little white straw in the Box was and I told him that that might be what we need. Well it operates great when you install a channel liner. LOL hahaha ha
by Hawkeye » Sat May 14, 2022 4:51 pm
Yep that doesn't look right but it did work before the trigger change right?
by sailman » Sat May 14, 2022 4:26 pm
Completely disassembled the slide except for the firing pin. I then inserted the firing pin down into the channel liner. It seems to be hanging up on the channel liner because the fire and pin does not go forward it stays at the back of the slide until you put pressure on it and wiggle it.
by sailman » Sat May 14, 2022 4:17 pm
My son come over and we got a chance to look at this this afternoon this afternoon I don't think this is supposed to happen. So we pulled the slide back and held the trigger and let the slide go. When all of this was done the gun would not reset with that which led me to believe connector maybe maybe well further investigation the firing pin is hanging up. I've got an extra channel liner and I may try changing that out. But I wanna see whatever body thinks could be causing this issue.
by Hawkeye » Fri May 13, 2022 12:35 pm OK! I checked five connectors last night four aftermarket and one Glock OME. Aftermarket range: 4.87mm - 4.95mm Glock OME: 4.92mm The bend of the connector looks close to right but is out to far. With the dimensions being off I need to know when the connector is in the housing does it wiggle front to back or does it just push in and out very easy? All of my connectors fit so tight I have to use a punch to get them out. If they are loose front to back wiggle that will cause the angle to change so, that the bird's beak not to reset. This is all so caused by the connector not being bent right. So as long as the connector is not wiggling front to back it has to be the bend of the connector being the cause of your problem I all so check the thickness of the connectors, Aftermarket connectors 1.68mm - .968mm Glock OME 1.04mm Your problem is most likely the bend of the connector but I have never see a loose fitting connector before, this being something new to me, solving this is interesting. Finding out if a loose connector will cause problems. Just one of those questions that bug me and I need to know the answer.
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by sailman » Fri May 13, 2022 8:10 am
RAMjetta wrote: ↑Thu May 12, 2022 7:44 pmThe bottom pic looks like it's bent inward too far. The top looks like a decent angle. They are actually the same angle, just 2 different angles on the picture. I just moved the camera to a different position.
by Ancient Order » Thu May 12, 2022 10:14 pm
Yeah, I'd probably bend it out a bit more. Just a bit. But if it's loose in the housing, gotta fix that.
by RAMjetta » Thu May 12, 2022 7:44 pm
The bottom pic looks like it's bent inward too far. The top looks like a decent angle.
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by sailman » Thu May 12, 2022 7:20 pm
RAMjetta wrote: ↑Thu May 12, 2022 6:11 pmCan you take a pic from the back of the housing so we can see the angle of the connector? Here you go.
This bothers me Ampex has some good stuff and the fact that the connector is loose in both housings point to a connector that has been polished to much. I am assuming that the old connector is tight in both housings. When I get out to the shop tonight I'll get some dimensions off some stuff I have in the box of stuff.
by RAMjetta » Thu May 12, 2022 6:11 pm
Can you take a pic from the back of the housing so we can see the angle of the connector?
JettaMan OUT!
by sailman » Thu May 12, 2022 5:45 pm
RAMjetta wrote: ↑Thu May 12, 2022 3:58 pmAncient Order wrote: ↑Thu May 12, 2022 2:34 pm...get a new housing first. Strong point about the housing. Was that a part purchased at the gun show that was swapped out? No this is not a gun show part the only things that he got from the show where Apex tactical trigger parts. I am in sure of the manufacturer of the lower parts kit hook up they were already installed when he brought it to me. Alright so I got to look it into it a little further tonight and I still can't figure out what's going on. Switched out the trigger housing and connector for one that I purchased from P80. And the gun does the same thing. The connector is loose in the P80 trigger housing as well. This is a picture of the Apex connector is it in spec.
by RAMjetta » Thu May 12, 2022 3:58 pm
Ancient Order wrote: ↑Thu May 12, 2022 2:34 pm...get a new housing first. Strong point about the housing. Was that a part purchased at the gun show that was swapped out?
JettaMan OUT!
by Ancient Order » Thu May 12, 2022 2:34 pm
Guaranteed this is a connector issue. Most likely the bend, but with it being loose...ummm...get a new housing first.
by sailman » Thu May 12, 2022 10:12 am
Hawkeye wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 8:41 pmsailman wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 11:49 amI took the gun apart last night and pulled the trigger assembly out and and adjusted the connector but but when I did this I noticed that the connector was loose in the slot that it goes in could this be causing the issue? I don't believe the trigger housing is a stock glock part. The connector should not fit loose in the trigger housing. This could cause your problem. I have never seen one that fits loose but have read other post about loose connector. Other than that I would start with the bend on the new connector. Put the old one in and see what happens and notice the bend in the connector that works. Check and see if the old connector is loose in the same trigger housing. You have to watch buying parts from gun shows, it a place people get rid of bad parts. Thanks for the information. I was thinking that it should not be loose either, when my son brings over the old parts I will switch things out and check it.
by Hawkeye » Wed May 11, 2022 8:41 pm
sailman wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 11:49 amI took the gun apart last night and pulled the trigger assembly out and and adjusted the connector but but when I did this I noticed that the connector was loose in the slot that it goes in could this be causing the issue? I don't believe the trigger housing is a stock glock part. The connector should not fit loose in the trigger housing. This could cause your problem. I have never seen one that fits loose but have read other post about loose connector. Other than that I would start with the bend on the new connector. Put the old one in and see what happens and notice the bend in the connector that works. Check and see if the old connector is loose in the same trigger housing. You have to watch buying parts from gun shows, it a place people get rid of bad parts.
by sailman » Wed May 11, 2022 2:27 pm
RAMjetta wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 12:12 pmIt's probably the bend angle of the connector but it can also be an out of spec trigger bar. I would start by checking the angle of the connector then going back to the original trigger bar and see what that gets you. If no joy then try the safety plunger. Another route you can take is to return it to the original parts and check functions to make sure everything works. Then swap one part at a time to see when it fails. Also good luck with acquiring an Armorers back plate. Thanks I'll start with this
by RAMjetta » Wed May 11, 2022 12:12 pm
It's probably the bend angle of the connector but it can also be an out of spec trigger bar. I would start by checking the angle of the connector then going back to the original trigger bar and see what that gets you. If no joy then try the safety plunger. Another route you can take is to return it to the original parts and check functions to make sure everything works. Then swap one part at a time to see when it fails. Also good luck with acquiring an Armorers back plate.
JettaMan OUT!